March for Free Expression

The next phase

Wednesday, March 22, 2006

Dialogue, Debate and Free Speech

The fact that we all agree about the principle of freedom of expression does not mean we agree about anything else. In fact, the whole point is that we advocate an environment within which we can debate, disagree, annoy and even offend each other without anyone being threatened, hurt, killed or imprisoned.

Rend Shakir has a deep and courageous commitment to the principle of free expression. But she does not agree with every aspect of the way this campaign has progressed so far. Tomorrow, we shall post the first of a short series of debated points. As well as giving us the opportunity to address some issues of importance, we will be able to demonstrate by example as well as by words that this campaign is one within which everybody who is committed to freedom of expression, be they secular, Christian, Muslim, or anything else, is included and can debate in an atmosphere of peaceful, mutual respect.

Debate is a two way street. Unlike some organisations I am by now too bored to mention, we actually mean "debate" when we use the word.

18 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

free speech huh?

right.

go to work next monday and tell your boss that you question the role of the jewish lobby in the rush to go to war in Iraq, or that Israel is an illegal state founded on the displacement of an indigeneous population and the result is an apartheid state, with the Holocaust being shamelessly exploited as a means to ward off any criticism, despite the fact it happened 60 years ago and was committed by a WHITE MAN, not muslims. especially not palestinians. Also mention how Israel is banging the war drums again, this time against Iran, a country that couldnt possibly pose a military threat to britain or the US. Yet our nations are the ones who will sacrifice its children for that nations safety.


come back and tell me if we have freedom of speech. Infact come back and tell me if u even have a job.

the old 'he's an anti-semite' trick won't work because NOTHING i've said is a lie or a slander.

Islam is a religion of war?
The fact that milosevic, hitler, stalin, lenin, pinochet, US President Truman; you know the guy who nuked Japan, mussolini etc were ALL WHITE MEN doesnt bother you a bit? These men have killed a good 40 million people between them, if not more, but hey they look like us n they only killed poor people. who are all savages.

But Grrrrr, bin laden killed 3,000, (if you believe the official story of a bunch of cavemen flying a plane into the Pentagon, the military headquarters of the most sophisticated military the Planet has ever seen. PS if any of you can produce just ONE photo of plane debris at the pentagon site ill eat my own toe nails.) on 9/11 and he a bad ol' puddy cat. with his long beard and his crafty eyes grrrr all muslims are killer, their faith preaches violence.


even if we tried we wouldnt get close to the numbers us white folk seem to kill. And we're doing it again in Iraq. Old habits die hard eh lads.

if any of you take anything away from this i hope it encourages you to change your mind about going on this march. Im not saying muslims are innocent cos believe me they aint, but we have to get off our fucking moral high horse. It was precisely that shit head retard mentality that got us mired in Iraq in the first place. which has led to muslims hating us and viewing us as invaders bent on wiping them out.

7:34 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PS the baathists waging the current insurgency in Iraq are SECULAR arab nationalists. they are the logistical, operational and financial masters of their war.

The jihadi idiots from jordan and saudi arabia are clowns being used by the baathists. they havent the intellectual ability to wage a war this adaptive and sophisticated.

8:59 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"[The Holocaust]...was committed by a white man, not muslims."

Well, the Holocaust was committed by a great many people, from a variety of ethnic and religious backgrounds.

For example, this man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husayni

It was a widespread and coordinated attack on the Jews as a religious and ethnic group. To reduce it to the work of a single person, and to emphasise the colour of his skin, is intellectually dishonest.

And your statement is therefore false.

11:40 am  
Blogger TheFriendlyInfidel said...

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11:52 am  
Blogger TheFriendlyInfidel said...

> go to work next monday and tell
> your boss that you question the
> role of the jewish lobby in the
> rush to go to war in Iraq ...

I guess your boss will tell you not to bring your politics to work.

> and was committed by a WHITE MAN,
> not muslims

What an offensive statement, I'm a white man and you associate me with THOSE MONSTERS?!?!? You racist bigot!! DOES THIS MEAN YOU DON'T THINK WHITE PEOPLE CAN BE MUSLIM?!?

Gosh, I try and be offended, but I'm not as good at it as you.

> come back and tell me if we have
> freedom of speech. Infact come
> back and tell me if u even have a
> job.

Just tried that, he laughed in my face and told me I was stupid, irrational to get back to work. He also told me that Aliens don't walk the planet.

ITS TRUE!! ALIEN JOOS RUN THE WORLD!! I KNOW ITS TRUE BECAUSE I CAN FIND NO EVIDENCE OF THIER EXISTENCE!!!

Damn, I try and see the world through irrational eyes, but I'm just not as good at it as you.

> if you believe the official story
> of a bunch of cavemen flying a
> plane into the Pentagon

You CALL YOUR MUSLIM BROTHERS CAVEMAN???? YOU ISLAMOPHOBE!!!

You know I’m not quite as good at the moral indignation as you either …

BTW Elvis runs the chip shop around the corner of my house, you should come down and meet him. I know he is Elvis because each time I ask him he denies it!

> ... their faith preaches violence

Unfortunately irrespective the translation this is true, punishment of death for Apostasy? C'mon that belongs in the dark ages, not the 21st Century! Lets revoke that part of the Qu’ran and live in peace, if “cave man” Muslims (unlike your highly educated rational self) start demanding to kill people in the name of Islam, lets demonize and ostracize* them, they don’t deserve to be respected in the 21 Century

* you might need the dictionary for that word, dictionaries are like spell checkers … which you appear to have no interest in.

> if we tried we wouldnt get close
> to the numbers us white folk seem
> to kill

You really are a despicable little racist, aren't you? Think of all those "white folk" delivering food to the people in Pakistan post the earth quakes, do you think that they are they trying to build up the numbers so we can kill more 'brown people'?

> Im not saying muslims are
> innocent cos believe me they
> aint, but we have to get off our
> fucking moral high horse.

I think that you are right, and I think that you ought learn to listen to your own advice. You don’t even have a high horse, you seem to be riding a dwarf pony.

> which has led to muslims hating
> us and viewing us as invaders
> bent on wiping them out.

Who the f**k are you? What planet do you keep your brain? Do Muslims hate you? What the hell are you talking about? What the hell has any of this got to do with the March?

BTW I suggest that you avoid the sunlight, you might turn to stone.

12:03 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Exactly. As a white man you DONT want to be associated with the Nazis and their crimes.

So how are you gonna attack a billion people, for what their minority does?

Bin laden supposedly planned and funded 9/11 from a cave in afghanistan hence the term cavemen. Now can you deal with the substance of that argument? Instead of stickin your head in the sand can you see how illogical the offical 9/11 story is?

"What an offensive statement, I'm a white man and you associate me with THOSE MONSTERS?!?!? You racist bigot!! DOES THIS MEAN YOU DON'T THINK WHITE PEOPLE CAN BE MUSLIM?!?"

WTF are you talking about? are you telling me Hitler was not white?
Exactly.
As a white man you DONT want to be associated with the Nazis and their crimes. what the hell did palestinian do to the Jews before they came, took their country and kick them out or threw them in refugee camp?

So how are you gonna attack a billion people, for what their minority does, if YOU dont want others to blame you for what the minority of your peoples did?

2:06 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This march is going to hurt and upset millions of muslims in this country.

Wear those T-shirts if you think it'll do you any good. Your only picking on a politically weak peoples.

congrats

2:10 pm  
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3:28 pm  
Blogger TheFriendlyInfidel said...

"WTF are you talking about? are you telling me Hitler was not white?"

Yeah and he had a silly mustache.

PEOPLE WITH MUSTACHE DO EVIL!!!

I don't see what any of your posts have to do with this March. Why on earth did you bring Hitler into this? Why do you try and demonize white people?

> This march is going to hurt and
> upset millions of muslims in this
> country.

Only if they choose to be offended.

This March is not about Muslims.

This is about people being allowed to voice offensive views without fear of violence.

Offensive views like yours.

3:30 pm  
Blogger TheFriendlyInfidel said...

> Your only picking on a
> politically weak peoples

Weak? Weak? How on earth can you call these pressure groups weak?

3:32 pm  
Anonymous Rastaman said...

Friendly Infidel, trying to talk to sub-levels like that is pretty much the same as pissing directly into a stiff wind.

6:57 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Finally you've come to your senses and banned the T-shirts.

This wasnt about free speech this was about upsetting, insulting and provoking a whole bunch of people for what? to prove a point?

I am completely for freedom of speech, but by freedom of speech i dont mean it as an excuse to attack a certain religious group.

The point i was making about hitler was that you shouldnt judge people on the actions of a few of their number. Those foolish pricks who held signs in london calling for people to be beheaded do not represent the muslims of this country.

Now i support the march.

7:55 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

^^^ lol at rasta man.

I mean i just dont get it, are you a nazi? which would explain your using 'sub-human' to term another human being, or are you a confused black rastafarian who doesnt realise his faith is about peace.

or are you a white boy who is begging to be a rasta hence the name... But then how can you be a racist when you wanna be black?

Clown

7:58 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh yeah and if muslim 'pressure groups' are so weak they wouldve stopped the war in Iraq and their wouldnt be any pressure on Iran.

Funnilly enough who were/are Israels two biggest threats in the region?

Why dont you lot see who REALLY owns this country. read about the Rothschild family on Wikipedia or something. That a respected enough website, so you cant call me a conspiracy theorists.



with the power they gained all those years ago, do you still think muslims are the ones with powerful pressure groups?

PS read about the Sassoon family and the opium wars, and how some of the profits were given to the Royal family.

Still think a bunch of muslims holding up terrible signs are the dangerous ones?

8:48 pm  
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1:54 am  
Blogger TheFriendlyInfidel said...

> Still think a bunch of muslims
> holding up terrible signs are the
> dangerous ones?

Yes I do, because it is happening on my doorstep you fuckwit. Isreal doesn't threaten me, and if you live in the UK I don't understand how it threatens you.

Whereas and Iran is trying to build nuclear bombs.

Do you think that they will keep them in their pockets as a deterrent or starting chucking them around in the of some supernatural god-like figure?

I don't fear the Israelis, why do you?

1:57 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I fear the Israelis cos they had no guilt in actually UPROOTING AN ENTIRE NATION, and taking their country and saying, ok now goodbye.

Think Israel never attacked britain? think again my friend, read up about the bombing at the King David Hotel, by the hagganah i think it was.
read about other lovely groups like the stern gang perhaps?



And how fucking dumb do you think Iran is? The only nation to have ever used a nuke was the US and they did it against a non nuclear nation. NOONE, not even the states or the soviets has ever been retarded enough to nuke another nuclear power.

Thats what diffused the cuban missile crisis, at the end of the day, both sides blinked in the face of MUTUAL DESTRUCTION. Iran can drop a poxy nuke on Israel, she's got 200 to send right back. Bomb the US? u must be crazy, they've got 10's of thousands.

And how do you suppose Iran would deliver a nuke to the US or the UK. do you know how far away Iran is? They're not even close to producing the materials needed, they're still in the research phase, never mind them producing a deliverable nuke.


The only thing that will happen if Iran gets a nuke is that the balance of power will shift in the Mid-East and maybe just maybe, that disgusting saudi regime will fall.

Iran isnt dumb my friend. they wouldnt attack anyone, indeed this regime has never started a war with anyone in the 27 years since the revolution. That cockface saddam invaded them, with our backing.

2:52 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sorry one more point...

we're all here bickering but WE ALL agree that someone is trying to take away our freedom and liberty's, trying to capitalise on these divisions.

They are real dangerous ones.

2:56 am  

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