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Monday, March 13, 2006

BNP Boycott

A commentator on this thread, who seems to be associated with what he calls "British nationalism", has called for a boycott of this event. This is part of a steady trickle of comment from one or more BNP/White Nationalist people, grumbling about the fact that we have said that they will not be welcome.

We have never at any time suggested that their freedom of expression should be denied but we do assert our right to refuse to allow our campaign to be associated with their racist outlook. They are perfectly at liberty to organise their own events. Furthermore, the fascist fringe of British politics, including the BNP, has a history of consistent association with political violence and we are campaigning against exactly that.

So we support his call for a boycott. White nationalists should boycott this event.

18 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The BNP boycotting this event is just about the best legitimisation you could hope for. Hopefully the media will catch on to this. You cant buy this kind of publicity and respect lol!

10:48 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh how silly, lets hope this isnt getting farcical.

12:40 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do not urge JUST members of the BNP to boycott this event. I urge EVERYONE to boycott the event.

The reason why people should boycott this event, is because the organiser UNPROFESSIONALLY used this website to make POLITICAL pot shots at the BNP.

Any organisation that campaigns for the basic human right of free speech, should be POLITCIALLY UNBIASED.

It's NOT the aims of this march I'm against, it's the way the organiser(s) of it, have hijacked OUR COMMON CAUSE (free speech) for their own agenda.

I don't see any politician to the right of the Liberal Democrats on the soapbox list. Why? Because the organisers of this event are left wingers, with a left wing agenda.

This march, is just a left wing front. It's about trying to convince people that the only people who are interested in free speech is the liberal left. I know loads of Tories who'll have nothing to do with this march, if the BNP and co are marginalised before the march even takes place.

Boycott the march. It's being organised by clowns who'll happily see the turnout cut by thousands for a leftwing "white-wash".

Furthermore, anyone who has the OPINION that the BNP is just about racism and it's members can't be trusted on a march - that's YOUR POLITICAL OPINION and it's YOU who is not big enough to let your POLITCAL OPINION get in the way of colaborating on something so easy as free speech.

12:10 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The BNP boycotting this event is just about the best legitimisation you could hope for. Hopefully the media will catch on to this. You cant buy this kind of publicity and respect lol!"

The BNP boycotts ALL marches and has officially told it's members to stay away from this march from day one. They don't trust the press or the authorities. Which makes it all rather stranger that people are worried about the BNP hijacking the event.

Well. Let me tell you a little secret. No one has ever been worried about the BNP hijacking the event, it's a normal set piece swipe at the BNP.

Now, the question is, do you trust someone who is organising a freedom of speech march, using the march, for his or her own political agenda?

Remember, you might agree with that agenda now. You may agree that the BNP are a nasty bunch. But just remember, tomorrow or on the day of the march, you may very well find, the organisers wearing political colours that you don't like or want.

Also, are you really going to trust someone, who keeps making political statements at every stage of the decision making (Placards, banners etc)

Why can't the organiser just say "No racist banners" ??? He/She can't, because he or she is politically obsessed with the BNP and co.

12:18 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are racists outside the BNP.

There are racists inside the BNP.

There are non-racists outside the BNP.

There are non-racists in the BNP.

Yet the organisers of this march, can't seem to be capable of issueing a statement along the lines of

A) If you are a paedophile and commit acts of paedophilia on our march, we'll report you to the police.

B) If you are a racist and you commit acts of racism which are in turn a public order offence, we'll report you to the police.

C) If you are a theif and steal stuff from your fellow marchers, we'll report you to the police.


But oh no.

That would be to simple. "We've put a lot of work into this and we've not done it for everyone you know. So please put up with mornic and biased political statements and side swipes at those who are members of political parties that we really can't get along with, as it's all rather "right on" and will get more lefties out for us rather than those horrible righties.


Pathetic.

12:29 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh yeah...

One other thing boys and girls.

Can you kindly stop using the BNP and others on the far right to "prove" that you aren't part of some kind of racist of anti-islamic agenda. It's lazy and it doesn't wash.

If someone makes the accusation that what you are doing, is either racist or islamophobic, please don't do a "Richard Littlejohn" by saying "Nah it ain't like that, we're different than that BNP mob and will have nothing to do with them. Here I'll prove the point. 'BNP chaps, stay well away from me and my mates coz you're wacist!'"

It doesn't wash people. Fight your own corner and win your own arguments, because some of you are looking pretty stupid when you're throwing the BNP and it's hapless members on the altar just to further YOUR cause.

1:29 am  
Blogger MJ said...

Ahhhh, is diddums upset? I can hear the sound of the worlds smallest violing playing.

9:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Ahhhh, is diddums upset? I can hear the sound of the worlds smallest violing playing."

Unless this march is about universal free speech, no one should support it.

Are you for universal free speech?

Do you understand how important universal free speech is?

Do you also understand, how politics has to take a back seat to achieve unity when defending free speech?

If you want to troll and just get personal, I can reccomend you a load of troll infested messageboards you can get your teeth into. So please. If you have something constructive to add to this blog about a very serious matter UNIVERSAL FREE SPEECH, please stay away.

Adult, debate only please, we're British.

3:25 pm  
Blogger Steven said...

Awesome work, thank goodness the BNP are banned, we dont want to be associated with a racist group.

6:27 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Awesome work, thank goodness the BNP are banned, we dont want to be associated with a racist group."

Oh right. So will you be turning up in lockstep as a group with whoever you politically align yourself with?

Are you now declaring that this march is not about free speech, but is about politics?

If so, can you kindly declare which political party you are affiliated with and how big a group you will be travelling with?

Also, has it not dawned on you, that BNP or no BNP members, racists are going to turn up to the march?

You lack logic as well as a basic understanding of British law.

Racists marching does not change anything.

Racists not marching on the march changes nothing.

Paedophiles marching on the march changes nothing.

Paedophiles not marching on the march changes nothing.

Racists being racist on the march is a public order offence.

Paedophiles molesting children on the march is a sexual offence.

I try to show people around here 100% pure logic on how to be pragmatic about all of this to achieve unity, but it's

"No, thanks, we'd rather score cheap points."

7:15 pm  
Blogger youdontknowme said...

"the fascist fringe of British politics, including the BNP, has a history of consistent association with political violence"

You do know this is a complete fabrication?

The BNP has never started any violence since Nick Griffin became leader and the only violence that has happened is when far left groups start the violence. If you think I am wrong post a news article saying that the BNP have started riots or violence in protests and it has to be one since Nick Griffin got into power.

You should grow up and start acting like an adult for a change or is that too much to ask?

10:45 pm  
Anonymous af said...

do you anonymous im starting to think you are correct and i dont think ill be going along. Freedom of speech is everyones right and to seek to so push the bnp out on this issue when we should be together is WRONG and bigoted. thanks for persisting.

11:31 pm  
Anonymous af said...

also ive learned more about the bnp here than ever, thank you!!!

11:32 pm  
Anonymous blerggh said...

I think that making the point that the march is for free expression, and not about forcing Muslims or non-white / non-English descent people out of the country is a good thing. I would only come along if I were fairly sure that I won't be forced to find myself supporting people who would want to take away my right to live in the UK.

Support for freedom, including free speech, means we cannot support Islamists nor any other kind of fascism.

8:10 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can you provide a link for the announcement that the BNP is to boycott this demo? I can't find any.

I would expect, if you are serious about free speech, on the day of the demo, you will welcome anyone who supports that concept.

If you are to make political judgements about people attending, then you are not serious about free speech and you should hand the baton to someone else!

10:18 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that making the point that the march is for free expression, and not about forcing Muslims or non-white / non-English descent people out of the country isqui a good thing. I would only come along if I were fairly sure that I won't be forced to find myself supporting people who would want to take away my right to live in the UK.

No one can give you that guarantee. Let's say for arguments sake, that there was no BNP/NF/WNP types (As diverse as they are) at the march. There is still a possibility that te person you are stood next to, would rather you wasn't in this country. That person you are stood next to, could quite easily be a racist. So asking the people to stay away, is silly. I have been using the paedophile / paeodophilia / child molestation argument as an example.

When you go to that march, there is every possibility, that the person stood next to you, could be a paedophile. Yet you accept that possibility. You also accept that paedophiles have the right to free speech.


Support for freedom, including free speech, means we cannot support Islamists nor any other kind of fascism.


Again, you're starting to make the same mistake that one of the organisers is making. Just because you are marching with paedophiles, wife abusers, gays, Arsenal fans, it does not mean you support any of the above.

So why all of a sudden, does marching with a "fascist" (Whatever a facist is) suddendly make you feel like you are supporting either fascists or fascism?

1:35 pm  
Anonymous Neo Kite said...

I will certainly be going along and I am a supporter of the National Front, I'm equally sure that a few of my close friends and university colleagues will also turn up, I’ve heard them threaten so recently in the common room. Perhaps the organisers will now extend their selective ban of British political parties so as to include NF as well. Trouble is, and I guess that is a pleasing offshoot of democracy and the ubiquitous ballot box, how on earth do people know which political party a participant in a demonstration voted for or actually supports? Are they psychic? Do they base it on smell? Are they too young to remember Peter Sellers, playing that amazing character Kite, in that marvellous satirical film on British workers and Trades Unionism in the 1950s “I'm All Right, Jack” when he was pressed on his political affiliations by an inquisitive man: “My politics are a matter between my conscience and the ballot-box.” Quite right too!
Moi aussi, and I don't wear any obvious signifiers, or, have the T shirt, so to speak. I’m ain’t a skinhead neither. Good God, this is about Freedom of Speech and these juvenile idiots (they must be juvenile, Voltaire certainly hasn’t read Voltaire, by the way) set out to ban British political parties! I agree entirely with Anonymous, would remind him that the BNP also participated in the big anti-war march as well (Feb 15 2003) http://www.bloggerheads.com/archives/2005/07/live8_making_a.asp
However, I doubt if even the organisers of this demo realised that at the time. And when one reflects upon the big political beasts invited upon the stage for sound-bites, Pinter, Kennedy, Livingstone, Galloway, does it really matter that NG wasn’t. His party & supporters turned up at Gower Street sans flags. I didn’t turn up because I supported the war and, well, that’s a difference of political opinion that I respect. Looking forward to the demo.

11:27 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No matter if you manage to get the BNP and the National Front to boycott the march (and you have no right to do so...FREEDOM remember!), you will still be tagged as racists, Anti-Islamicists and troublemakers.

Why? Because you are going into this with half measures. When are you people going to wake up to the fact that no matter what you do, or what motives you have, the politically correct gestapo will tar you with the same brush as any far right wing party?

12:24 am  

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