March for Free Expression

The next phase

Tuesday, February 28, 2006

Banners and Signs

We have a meeting with the Public Order Planning section of the Metropolitan Police at the start of next week, and will be discussing what banners and signs might say or show. Please check back for an update after the 8th March.

132 Comments:

Blogger CarnackiUK said...

Whoa, we're having a rally in favour of Free Expression...but we need permission for what the banners and signs might say? How free is that?

Presumably the jihadists outside the Danish Embassy in London had carte blanche for their bloodthirty threats!

Anyway, good luck, Voltaire - the essential thing is to get the rally approved so it can go ahead.

4:35 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They can say whatever we like - any attempt to dictate what we can say on our own plackards or T-shirts will undermine the demo.

8:02 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i agree, asking "permission" for the banners and signs sounds a bit much for a march about free speech.

8:16 pm  
Blogger Voltaire said...

Perthaps I have phrased this clumsily, so to clarify it: we are required to have this meeting and we will be discussing what banners and signs might show, not in the sense of what we will have permission for, but of what we expect people to bring. We have already said that the cartoons will be welcome.

Showing the Danish cartoons is not illegal; incitement to murder is. Any objections to displaying the cartoons would have to be on public order grounds, but would present an interesting situation, and one that would not be entirely to our disadvantage.

More later...

8:37 pm  
Blogger Dangerouslysubversivedad said...

Have to agree with these sentiments, but it wouldnt surprise me in the slightest if our PC PCs didnt let this go ahead. We shall see.

10:09 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This isn't a case of permission and we should support this. The police are there to keep law and order and need to know whats going on so they can do that. Make it clear that you will cooperate with them and will not be involved in any violence no matter what happens.

On the day, even if it seems like the police are ending the protest unfairly you should cooperate, they may be acting on things you don't know yet. Remember no matter what happens you will be on dozens of cameras at every stage and EVERYTHING you do will be judged, please don't let this protest be undermined by violent actions.

If any trouble makers like those who made threats outside the Danish embassy turn up and attack you, leave it to the police and the media, don't be tempted because that just might be what they want.

If we follow these rules it does not matter what happens on the day, if its banned, if its attacked or if it goes well, it will be on the news.

2:25 am  
Anonymous Steve said...

Will carrying Danish flags be considered 'provocative' enough for them to be confiscated by the police?

There is a good flag shopnear me. I could put in an order.

10:54 am  
Blogger Voltaire said...

Dansih flags will be very welcome.

12:12 pm  
Blogger Dangerouslysubversivedad said...

Anonymous,

No, I am afraid it really won't make the news. Unless as has been suggested, the Islamists decide to turn up and attack us in which case *we* will have *caused* the violence. THEN it'll be a top story.

I have a VERY strong suggestion to make. That people be asked in advance NOT under any circumstances to bring any banner/T-shirt/placard which promotes a specific political party. Otherwise I pretty much guarantee you *will* end up with the BNP visibly in attendance, which gives the media another stick to beat us with.

1:02 pm  
Blogger Voltaire said...

We will get some news coverage. The issue is, how much exposure will the mainstream media, and especially the BBC, give us.

Be in no doubt that we will be trying to ensure that it is commensurate with the nature, scale and importance of the event and its supporters.

By refusing to allow this campaign to be diverted by any specific pressure groups or interests, we feel we are giving it the best chance of gaining decent exposure.

By declining to be drawn into too much debate about our exclusion of the BNP, and through our successful attempts to gather support from right across the political spectrum, we feel we have positioned it most favourably for responsible media coverage.

1:09 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If we want to make the headlines, we ought burn a few cars and have a go at homosexuals ...

*joke*

3:48 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm all for Danish flags (available on e-bay, by the way) but don't forget that most victims of censorship in the world are non-Europeans. Let's have some pictures of prominent writers & artists currently in prison under repressive 3rd World regimes.

8:36 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm all for Danish flags (available on e-bay, by the way) but we shouldn't forget that most victims of censorship in the world are NON-Europeans. So let's have some pictures of prominent writers & artists currently in prison under repressive 3rd World regimes.

8:37 pm  
Blogger Revolution Radio said...

Hmm, 'approved' banners at a free speech rally, what a paradox.
But we DO need to remember that this may well recieve world wide attention and that we will be scrutinised. 'off key' messages will be the ones to make the front pages, so it would be good if we can show that we, as a nation can be trusted with 'the responsibility that goes with free speech' As for any factions hijacking or dominating, I have a feeling that this is going to be big. So big that no single group will make that big an impression.
What about my 'NO SHARIA HERE' picture? Acceptable?

12:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi all,

Here are some possible slogans for banners. Some funny, some critical. I don't believe that they are all appropiate. I'm interested in which you would regret. Perphaps posters should have titles that explain the comment "critiquing Islam" "poking fun at a Islamofasists", this would help people put them into context.

I've nothing against peaceful, law bidding Muslims, but have a big issue with the 40% that wish for Shiria Law.

"Make Cartoons not War!" - Simple enough

"The truth is out there ... but not in the UK papers" "Truely independent press is only on the Internet" and other variations of
don't trust the UK papers

"Zionist rule the world! (and aliens ate my baby)" Ridicule of this belief that Zionist are everywhere. It would be good to describe them as 20 feet tall and breathing fire therefore easy to spot.

"Death to Iran! Tea and biscuits to Denmark!" Parody of all this Death to America! Death to Danish! nonsense. Perhaps we could make this Darth Vader to Iran or some other play on words.

"There is no justise in the Shiria" - People don't know what the Shiria
truely is, they really ought to.

"Health information: Marrying your first cousin can lead to genetic
defects and low intelligence" - Bitchy, but good advice.

"Islamafascism is the cancer, free speech is the key" - paradoy of europe is the cancer islam is the cure banners

"Belivers are irrational" - Unfortunately they all are because they have knowledge and understanding of the world born from belief that "you don't"

"New! Improved! Without the hatred, jealously and bigotory - Islam 2.0
loving the unbeliver edition." nuf' said

"Is it 72 virgins each or is it 72 'pass arounds'" Reference to the rape of women in France and pointing out that the scriptures don't specify this subtle point

"There is no honor in honor killing" - would be better to state there is no honor in killing, but it would go over the head of those it is critizing.

"Intelligent Design - putting the pseduo in science" - bash the Christians while we are at it

A list of names from the London bombings with the title "Died in the name of religion, Islam"

"Islam, bringing the 7th Centry to the 21st" - an aim of some Wabbi's is to revert to golden era of Islam

"Islam, putting the world at war"

"The Ummah is high on modern communications - The Internet"

"ANYONE that considers Shiria Law a good thing to implement in Western societies is an extremist"

"Pakastanis, you are greater than your religion, shake off your religous leaders and get some rational spokes people"

BTW you considered printing flyers and handing them out outside tubes etc?
--
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9:54 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Show me a woman or gay man that doesn't fear Islam, I'll show you are woman or gay man that doesn't understand Shiria Law"

10:58 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Religous freedom comes with responsibility"

"Ban free speech and let feelings fester, what could go wrong?"

"You have insulted Voltaire (PBUH) we demand an apology"

"Free speech without insult is not free speech"

and from Napoleon:
"A people which is able to say everything becomes able to do everything."

11:11 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I loved one of the comments from Have Your Say while the Religious Hate Bill was going through the Commons:

"I demand the right to be offended!"

as well as the "Free Piglet" on the lighter tone.

My greatest temptation is though the following credo:

"I am a Satanist. I demand respect for my religion. Burn those who offend Lucifer (PBUH)!"

Polish Solidarity with Denmark

2:41 pm  
Anonymous The Friendly Infidel said...

> "Religous freedom comes with
> responsibility" -

This is genius, best of the lot so far.

> "Ban free speech and let
> feelings fester, what could go
> wrong?"

Perphaps "limit" is better than "ban" as we will always be allowed to bash our policitains, in fact it appears that they are the ONLY group we are allowed to bash and not consider their feels one jolt. Is it their job to collected mud?

> "You have insulted Voltaire
> (PBUH) we demand an apology"

I nearly fell over laughing reading this one, for those that don't get it PBUH stands for Peace Be Upon Him, which Muslims must say each time they mention Mohammad (I'm not sure why this is). As for 'Voltaire' read the introduction on this site.

> "Free speech without insult
> is not free speech"

perphaps this would be said better as "Free speech without insult is limited speech"

> and from Napoleon:
> "A people which is able to say
> everything becomes able to do
> everything."

It would be good to somehow spin this to comment on the advances we have made in our societies form the conspect of free speech, where as time has stood still in the Middle East for Centries.

3:00 pm  
Anonymous The Friendly Infidel said...

> "I demand the right to be
> offended!"

Yep, that's a good'un

> as well as the "Free Piglet" on
> the lighter tone.

How about "Free Piglet! He's not Poo!"

> "I am a Satanist. I demand
> respect for my religion. Burn
> those who offend Lucifer (PBUH)!"

I don't like that one so much. I can see the idea ...

For serious get-yourself-killed insult try this quote:

"Hij noemde moslims goatfuckers" - ~ Van Gogh (PBUH)

> Polish Solidarity with Denmark

I don't get that one at all, are you Polish?

3:12 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Friendly Infidel, Piglet is not a Poo, especially in this armour:

http://relapsedcatholic.blogspot.com/2005/10/our-bulging-go-back-where-you-came.html

Yes, good guess about my nationality.

3:25 pm  
Anonymous The Friendly Infidel said...

Yes, I remember the story about pulling pictures of pigs from government offices, because of the "offence" they cause.

Personally I find women wearing a full burka offence as I think that women should be see as well as heard. Pity we aren't so keen to ban them.

Did you see the "Allah the ice cream" story? Amazingly it got very little press.

http://tinyurl.com/qg9wt

"Burger Kind, putting the Allah into Ice Cream"

My friend works for the social services and works with a Muslim who put in complaints to management that the annual Christmas party was offensive to him.

5:07 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the 18th century a Polish Catholic bishop and a poet, count Ignacy Krasicki wrote "True virtue is not afraid of satire". How about this for a banner?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignacy_Krasicki

Polish Solidarity with Danmark

7:17 pm  
Anonymous Jen said...

How about something like...

'Freedom is a right. Religion is a choice'

or merely a choice

A completely irrational choice at that.

9:04 pm  
Blogger CM said...

Well, I would like to see lots of pro-Danish stuff. Anyone know where to get Danish flags? Would add colour for the media photos.

11:03 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reading Wikipedia I noticed one of the BNP's policies is the death penalty for non-murder crimes and corporal punishment. Either im pretty uninformed or this is one of their lesser advertised polices. While I respect that the BNP is seen as almost a guard dog of Britain they have way too much in common with groups like Hizb ut-Tahrir and even Nazis. It would be hypocritical to rely on groups like the BNP to support freedom of speech when they may have ulterior motives and it would certainly test their acceptance of freedom of speech to ridicule some of their policies.

Am I the only one who didn't know about these policies?

11:13 pm  
Blogger Voltaire said...

We have made it clear that the BNP are not welcome at this march. They are incompatible with our aims and statement of principle. They do not support freedom of speech and the only reason why they are even thought of in connection with this campaign is that they have been agitating against Muslims. But we have made it clear that this is not a campaign against Muslims, it is a campaign in favour of freedom of expression. That sets us against anyone who advocates a theocracy, be it Islamic, Christian or based on any other religion. It also sets us against fascists, who do not advocate freedom of expression.

We are campaigning for a society in which debate can take place without anyone being thratened, hurt, killed or imprisoned. The BNP seeks to combine electoral politics with "well directed boots and fists".

11:35 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How can we argue that the BNP are not welcome at a march for freedom of expression? Surely this will just make them determined to come? Have they said anything about it? I wouldn't like to see the BNP flag there because it would undermine the protest but its freedom of expression to wave it. I wouldn't like to see BNP people there because they are extremists but im not sure how it can be argued.

2:27 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

other anonymous, "im not sure how it can be argued." that's a wierd thing to say. it just was.

8:36 am  
Blogger TomPaine said...

How about these:

"I drew a cartoon about Muhammad and all I got was this lousy fatwa."

"Lego my rights!"

"Civil rights are my religion."

"Moderation in defense of liberty is no virtue" - Barry Goldwater

"Denmark -- comin' atcha!"

"Denmark, Norway, France: the Axis of...Pastries?"

"Never in the field of human conflict has so much been done to so many by so few."

"I'd rather be blaspheming."

"Our oil barons are better than your oil barons."

"Live free or die." - New Hampshire state motto

"A priest, a minister, and rabbi walk into a bar...and don't kill each other."

"Uunngh...I shouldn't have eaten that last Rose of the Prophet Muhammad."

"If Muhammad saw what his followers were doing, he'd be spinning in his grave!"

"When in Rome...kill the Romans!"

"Denmark: Vikings wanted."

8:54 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This might be good to include. The Ahmadis are a minority religion in Pakistan, they're free speech is restricted and they are banned from watching a London based TV station made for them. However anyone is free to say what they like about them including calling for them to be killed. Maybe we could get someone from the TV station to appear?

11:44 am  
Blogger Voltaire said...

Thanks for the Ahmadi tip - we have contacted the TV station.

11:54 am  
Anonymous polemicist said...

Some more possible banner slogans, though the wording may need trimming to get on placards:-

"I like my 'decadent' Western values - defend free speech
- no retreat to religious fascism"

"Defend Free Expression
- No apologies for satirising
religious superstitions"

"Defend Free Expression
- Keep Europe secular
- No sharia law here!"

"Stuff religious sensitivities
- this is the 21st Century
- no return to medievalism,
superstition and fear"

"Arrest Jihadists and
those who support fatwas
Defend Free Expression
from religious fascism"

"JACK 'dhimmi' STRAW
- defend our free expression
not your parliamentary seat!"

"TONY 'holy' BLAIR
- this is no boy scout
prayer meeting -
Defend Free Expression
from religious fascists"

2:15 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And in the reasons why respect is not a valid reason for self censorship category:

"Don't Insult George Lucus
(Jedi's for Religous Respect)"

(Someone standing behind this banner should hold a cartoon insulting George Lucus and Jedism)

"G*d insults Athiests
(Athiests for Honour)"

"Everyone insults us! Stop!
(Agnostics Against Insult)"

"Idolatry: Putting insults against one man over real world problems"

3:43 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TomPaine, I love your first choice:

"I drew a cartoon about Muhammad and all I got was this lousy fatwa."

I have two brilliant thoughts from amazing Wafa Sultan:

"Brother, you can believe in stones, as long as you don't throw them at me."

"The Muslims must ask themselves what they can do for humankind, before they demand that humankind respect them."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/010465.php#comments


Polish Solidarity with Denmark

7:21 pm  
Blogger Revolution Radio said...

OK.
How about
"pictures for peace"
"draw your cartoons not your weapons"

"there is no justice, just us"
bit of a vigilante one that so maybe not.
"Christian: I will die for what I believe in. Muslim: you will die for what I believe in"

I have made a free expression march audio ident for my on-line radio which I will also use as my profile audio link on blogspot. If anyone else wants to use it for anything, it will be available as mp3 download tonight. radio station is at http://www.segamike.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (limited testing at the moment)

7:35 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Let's bash the wogs liberally"

?

10:38 am  
Anonymous the friendly infidel said...

"Sensitivity, tolerance and acceptance ... of insensitivity, intolerance and rejection. Those are the hallmarks of today's politican."

"If Islam is a religion of peace, what *exactly* is the Mujadeen?"

"Abu 'where's yours Handza?' quotes from the Quran"

"Bed Lining does it on the Quran"

11:03 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey nonny-nonny,

What-ya-mean by ...

"Let's bash the wogs liberally"

Care to enlighten us with your wisdom and fine analysis?

11:49 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"There is nothing more sacred than freedom"

1:19 pm  
Anonymous Sagunto said...

another version of the Lego-theme:

"Legolize my Freedom of Expression!"

Sag.

7:15 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It would be good if people could hand out copies of Dennis Kirkup's blasphemous poem of 1977. Maybe several banners based on passages from it.

10:21 am  
Anonymous the friendly infidel said...

"Say no to the mass Muslim boycott of Danish Bacon"

10:35 am  
Anonymous the friendly infidel said...

Muslims to Danes: "Lego of your freedoms"

11:35 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please promote a march for free expression in Toronto on March 11th.

Chicago is to have a march also on the 25th as well as London.

Good Luck everyone! Be proud and make a stand.

6:55 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For visual aids I strongly recommend this site:

http://www.shopmetrospy.com/

Polish Solidarity with Denmark

11:47 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I particularly love this one:

http://www.shopmetrospy.com/cNcgraphics/Product_361_PrSpare2.jpg

Happiness is freedom of speech!

Polish Solidarity with Denmark

11:52 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Danes... probably the best infidels in the world.

12:53 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blasphemy is a victimless crime

9:53 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

there seems to be two Laws in the UK.
One for white English/UK people and another for aliens and migrants with black or brown faces.
The former get persecuted and the latter get a carte-blanche to do what they like.
This is Tony Bliars socialism in action and we are getting closer and closer to a police state.
We NEED this FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION MARCH URGENTLY.

10:28 am  
Blogger Voltaire said...

We want to make it clear that there is absolutely no racial element to this campaign. If that is your standpoint, please find some other outlet for it.

10:40 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Repeal Blasphemy Law Before IT Repeals You!"

11:30 am  
Anonymous the friendly infidel said...

> Blasphemy is a victimless crime

Great slogan!

> Danes... probably the best
> infidels in the world.

Very good! like this one a lot

> One for white English/UK people
> and another for aliens and
> migrants with black or brown
> faces.

Err, I think that you are on the wrong site. Here we like Brown and Black people, here we dislike religous fundementalists that claim moral superiority and wish us to cow to their beliefs - irrespective of their colour.

Therefore I say down with the white Religous Right! keep your hands of science!

This is about ideology, not colour, stupid.

BTW has anyone else noticed that those that support Intelligent Design appear to be less intelligently designed?

11:31 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

friendly infidel, even though I am less intelligently designed I dare to object to your supposition - Albert Einstein would probably as well.
Please remember what our march is all about - "if we do not hang together, we will hang separately" (B. Franklin).
And it is not about ideology - it is about ideologies claiming superiority over others and usurping the right to supremacy and totalitarianism.
On the race/colour issue I can't agree more!
Amen

Polish Solidarity with Denmark

12:22 pm  
Anonymous the friendly fidel ... until rilled! said...

Polish Solidarity with Denmark.

Your clarification is noted and agreed. I was to busy enjoying bashing that previous poster that FLIPPED ON THE CAPS KEY to MAKE HIS/HER POINTS!!! the inhumanity ...

I thought that:
"This is about ideology, not colour, stupid."

... was more punchy than:

"This is about totalitarian, supremacist idelogies trying to subvert our freedoms, not colour stupid"

I think this thinking in slogans has started to affect my mind.

6:34 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Friendly Infidel, your attention to my clarification is appreciated ;-)
and I like your new slogan.
Here is another one with the Polish bias:

"Freedom cannot be simulated" (Stanisław Jerzy Lec)

I also propose "Long Live Voltaire!" not only as a tribute to teh organisers, but also as a response to this:

"Muslims ask French to cancel 1741 play by Voltaire":

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/pp/06065/666058.stm

Polish Solidarity with Denmark

9:01 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Fuck" (someone was recently fined for saying that in public, the police dropped the charges but we need to set a strong precedent on this)

"SHOULD we respect beliefs or MUST we respect beliefs?"

"When insulting religion is a crime, only criminals will insult religion"

"Blasphemy law can only cover one religion. They all insult each other!"

9:34 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Give a beer and a bacon sandwich to those who insult the prophet.

10:06 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Tolerance is a two way street"

"Voltaire, bound and gagged in the 21st Century"

"R-E-S-P-E-C-T, find out what it means to Muslims: don't critique our faith"

The Great Kartoons Debate: Bringing the Incredible Hulk to politics, "don't make me angry, you won't like me when I'm angry"

Islam: A religion of harm and pieces.

"Support the Religious Policeman: http://muttawa.blogspot.com"

"Know your Jihad: http://www.jihadwatch.org"

10:13 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"God bless Denmark"

"God is not scared of cartoons"

"First they came for the cartoonists, ..."

10:19 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Should FCUK be served an ASBO?"

"Can a lack of Bacon Sandwichs, pictures of Naked women and beer lead to extremism? It would certainly leave me feeling very cross!"

10:19 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Respect my cartoons"

"Respect my cartoonist (PBUH)"

10:21 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PBUH - "Publishing Blasphemy Unites the Haters"

10:35 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When the last country in Europe embraces the new Dark Age, please turn off the Enlightenment.

10:41 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(PBUH) People Belong to a Unitied Humanity

10:42 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PBUH - Peace Be Upon Humanity

10:43 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"FACT: 8 feet tall, fire breathing, Zionist, invisible lizard jooos run the entire worlds media

THEORY: Free speech and open minded debate reduce conflict"

11:48 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about the old Sun headline

"There Ain't Nothing Like a Dane"

1:05 pm  
Anonymous P.J. Denyer said...

"Anonymous said...
"Fuck" (someone was recently fined for saying that in public, the police dropped the charges but we need to set a strong precedent on this)"

How about

Free
Unresticted
Communication is
Key

(with appropriate highlights of course!)?

"When the stakes are erected and the fires lit it will be too late for debate"

"Ban Censorship-I find it offensive"

"Born Free-Gagged for God"

"Remember when 'Cartoon violence' meant 'Tom & Jerry'?"

"Cartoon Violence-Real World Death"

"Truth does not fear Free Expression"

"Only Liars want Censorship"

"Truth is it's own defence-No Censorship"

A few personal opinions-:

I think we need to concentrate on short memorable phrases, and (much as it pains me as an athiest to say this) be careful not to over emphisise the relegious aspect too much or we will risk alienating people. Humour is good so long as it's not too subtle or obscure, irony has to be handled carefully, taken out of context may be used to misrepresent us. Anything that could be interpreted as racist or 'Islamaphobic' will do nothing but hurt the campaign.

Unfortunately I know from experience that a well behaved and good natured gathering is unlikely to get much press attention (I was at the peaceful demonstration by 3000 motorcyclists that rode to Parliment the week before the Countryside Alliance riot, how many people heard about that?!). But we don't want to be noticed for the wrong reasons, I think that discussing these ideas with the Police could be extremely valuable, they are the ones who have to mak judgements about what is acceptable on the day after all, mutual co-operation will make it a better day for all involved.

Sorry to have gone on for so long, hope at least some of it is of use.

2:02 pm  
Blogger Silky said...

Islam, the Incredible Hulk of politics: "Don't make me angry, you won't like me when I'm angry ..."

2:46 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about my image of the statue of liberty in a burkha? It is quite funny....

4:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about " Where's your sense of humour gone?" or " What would your most famous iman...John, the bloke from 'our you being served think?"
or under one of the cartoons "Do you think he knows there's a fuse sticking out of his head?"...or "What's Danish for ..only joking!"

4:09 pm  
Blogger AmJam said...

The only mistake the Danish magazine made was to exclude Moses, Christ and Profit from their featurette.

I see the 4 great prophets looming out of a collective grave with vampire eyes, dripping fangs and Kitchener fingers, with the caption

'WE WANT TO DRINK YOUR BLOOD!'

This may seem confrontational, but in fact gives the four most contentious religions common ground and gives no cause for Muslims to feel persecuted. Not to mention sending a strong impartial Rationalist message for the first time in years.

4:23 pm  
Anonymous Sensatus said...

Blasphemy: The root of all progress

is my fave.

4:48 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We cannot lose our freedom
unless we give it away.

12:03 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about Mohammed lighten up and EAT some PORK!!!!

9:17 pm  
Blogger Wolfie said...

Il en a coûté sans doute pour établir la liberté en Angleterre; c'est dans des mers de sang qu'on a noyé l'idole du pouvoir despotique; mais les Anglais
ne croient point avoir acheté trop cher leurs lois.

Establishing liberty in England was a costly business, the idol of despotic power was drowned in seas of blood, but the English don't think the cost was too high.
Voltaire: Lettres philosophiques

Qu’est-ce qu’un homme révolté? Un homme qui dit non...Quel est le contenu de ce 'non'? Il signifie, par exemple, 'les choses ont trop duré', 'jusque-là oui, au-delà non', 'vous allez trop loin', et encore, 'il y a une limite que vous ne dépasserez pas'.’ Albert Camus, L’Homme révolté

A man in revolt is a man saying No. But what does this No mean? It may mean 'this has gone on too long' or 'you're going too far' or 'there's a line you must not cross'.

Exiled Thucydides knew
All that a speech can say
About Democracy,
And what dictators do,
The elderly rubbish they talk
To an apathetic grave;
Analysed all in his book,
The enlightenment driven away,
The habit-forming pain,
Mismanagement and grief:
We must suffer them all again.
WH Auden: September 1 1939

12:28 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"How about Mohammed lighten up and EAT some PORK!!!!"

You're not funny or clever.

12:35 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oppss....

I that last remark of mine was directed at the individual who thought "How about Mohammed lighten up and EAT some PORK!!!!" is a funny thing to post.

12:36 am  
Blogger Ralph said...

"Freedom only to speak inoffensively is not worth having." -- Lord Justice Sedley

Respect is Awarded, Not Extorted

Respect RIGHTS, not beliefs

2+2=4: Free Speech + Freedom of Religion = FREEDOM from FEAR

4:29 pm  
Blogger Ralph said...

Who is Ibn Rushd Averroes?

5:21 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With regard to organised rallies, I am seventy two years old and do not feel that I could drive long distances or even travel by train and thence to a meeting point in a strange town or city without a companion. My belief is that if a list could be published of people willing to give others a lift, sharing costs of course, many more people would be able to support the rally.

Yours faithfully,

A.G. Baggett

10:06 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A Rally was certainly needed, I'm in london on that weekend anyway on business, so I'll be there.

I'd agree that it is important not to harass the police (even if they break up the demo) and not to provoke the muslim militants that will undoubtably be there, the more they get incensed and start acting like the thugs they are, the more good they will do our cause. I'd say its almost a certainty that the event will be watched by police spycams and they will be taping the event, lets make sure its the Islam bully boys they catch and who make fools of themselves.

11:56 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Personally, if the BNP or the NF or the Satanic cult of Pink cow worshippers are there, does it really matter? You cannot exclude one group of people, as long as the march is held without banners proclaiming their affilliations.

Face it, we need everyone we can ger, from the BNP, to the Jews, to Hindis, to latter day saints...yes and even Satanic Pink cow worshippers

12:02 am  
Anonymous the friendly infidel said...

Just read this quote:

“This is an offence against Global Civility and a provocation to 1.6 billion Muslims. The continued irresponsible actions of the BNP in distributing leaflets with the cartoons on across the country are also provoking anger throughout the Muslim community”

How can we poke fun or paradoy this comment? The number 1.6 billion Muslims is thrown around all over the place. The global population is about 6.5 billion people, leaving 4 million non-Muslims. So how about

"Suppression of cartoons is an offence against global Civilization and a provocation to 4 billion non-Muslims"

1:16 pm  
Anonymous Labi Siffre said...

to begin
with the lie
“i know god exists”
makes you an extremist

2:17 pm  
Anonymous Labi Siffre said...

it’s impossible
to blaspheme
without proof
god exists

2:28 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about: (in the style of newspaper reviews that you see quoted under films/theatre)


"Shut Up"
- Global Civility

"We'll have your head!"
- Psychos Outside Embassy

"Its worse than Guantanamo"
- half the Middle East

7:08 pm  
Anonymous MadMalcMcMad said...

Here a a few thoughts. I hope to make people smile. This shows better the absurdity of the intolerance of religion. How about:

1984 was a WARNING, not a MANUAL!

Censorship is double plus UNGOOD

Mohammed ate my Hamster...

My Saviour is a Bacon sarnie - Ketchup be upon him.

Piglet is innocent - Justice Now!

Blasphemy is my only real pleasure

Offensiveness is my only real talent

Your freedom of expression does not resemble our freedom of expression.

Logic dictates there is no point in blashemy

God is a vicious tyrant

Vikings are cool

Odin would rather like equality..., Please?

Death to anyone who feels strongly about anything.

Death to God!

Respect for the missing link!

"I am free" - Citizen # rot3444K1/ghn/x/563

Comments?

3:44 am  
Anonymous MadMalcMcMad said...

A few more.....

Peace and understanding to those who insult the Buddha.

Keep off my seeds of doubt!

The really hot chicks will be in Hell. How do I get THERE? Virgins are just tooo DULL!

I disagree with what I say, and I will defend to the death my right to be somewhat perverse.

What cartons of profit??

And more controversially;

Mohammed was a Sex Offender -TRUE

4:27 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dress up in black as a 'RESPECT ENFORCER' maybe with it printed on the back. You could be holding someones arm with tape over their mouths and they could be wearing a t-shirt with something vaguely offensive with black tape stuck over it just enough so you can still recognise it. It should be only mildly offensive to highlight the idea of how stupid it is.

2:34 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

^^^
Actually scrap that, the shirt should be one of the cartoons so that if (unfortunately) the police do arrest him it would be brilliant photo op - "private respect enforcement officer hands over expression violator to a real police officer for processing"

2:40 pm  
Blogger Ralph said...

FREE Abdul Rahman!

10:27 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“A faith is something you die for, a doctrine is something you kill for. There is all the difference in the world.” (Tony Benn)

Polish Solidarity with Denmark

9:54 am  
Blogger extabgrad said...

VALUE PEOPLE, NOT IDEAS

See you on Saturday
Joss

1:41 pm  
Blogger extabgrad said...

BAN RELIGION, IT'S OFFENSIVE

1:51 pm  
Blogger Trader Woody said...

Islamofascism - a sandal stamping on the face of humanity forever

5:03 pm  
Blogger Trader Woody said...

Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

5:06 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how about this one?

IS LAM?

NO!

5:17 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Freedom of speech includes religion
God doesn't need protection
A true religion needs no protection
Jesus didn't ask for protection
No blood for Islam
The West is great because of freedom
Freedom of speech is no offence

A few based on the Muslim Action Committee 'Global Civility' slogans:
We value our freedoms more than Muhammad
How dare you restrict our freedoms?
Islam should grow up
Learn how to take criticism
Islam wake up - free speech is here to stay!
Islam learn some democracy
Europe does not need Islam
Don't they teach manners in mosques?

Funnily enough, one of the Muslim Action Committee 'Global Civility' slogans I agree with:
Freedom to Insult = Freedom of Speech
However, I'm not sure how they can claim that Muhammad is the founder of freedom of speech or civil liberties. Also, if 'Islam does not need Europe', what are they doing here?
http://www.globalcivility.co.uk/Banners_08Feb06%5B1%5D.ppt

PS. Love the slogans about the sandal on the face of humanity and truth being its own defence.

5:25 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The organisers of this rally (which I hope to attend) are entirely correct to bar anyone from attending who can reasonably be expected to be intending to cause violence and intimdate certain groups.

Clearly, the BNP are such a group, and should not be allowed to attend. Nor should any other groups of people who would conduct themselves in the violent manner of the BNP.

I'm sure we can agree that violence is not a legitimate form of expression.

Best of luck with the march. Some of the slogans are very good. Try not to get obsessed about Muslim attempts to curtail freedom of speech - Catholics, Sikhs and really all other religious groups do it as well, as well as (shock, horror) some secular groups.

5:54 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

okay how bout stop attacking the muslims, and maybe you should rethink some of your slogons because to be frank, you will be doing the same as the extremists. and also the shirt business is just stupid unless you want to get beaten up. why dont we for once show a little respect to other peoples religions, and not put the cartoon up because it is really disrespectful. we were offended when they came out with banners saying death to the us and uk etc. and the BNP will make it even worse, send em back to dagenham and let em stay their.

8:43 pm  
Anonymous Darren McKenzie said...

I happen to agree with the previous Anonymous. There is no need for all the Islam bashing. Some of the ill in the world is the fault of people mis-interpreting the faith but this is not the fault of over 99% of the worlds muslims.

I was planning on supporting this march but after reading some of the suggested banners I would rather not be assosiated with the mood of the protest as conveyed on this site.

I doubt that if this mood is reflected in the march it will do any good at all to the cause of free speech.

Pro Free Speech and Anti Islamaphobia, Please!?

10:00 pm  
Blogger Dan said...

"and also the shirt business is just stupid unless you want to get beaten up"

Hello?

4:51 am  
Blogger Dan said...

Best of luck with the march. Some of the slogans are very good. Try not to get obsessed about Muslim attempts to curtail freedom of speech - Catholics, Sikhs and really all other religious groups do it as well, as well as (shock, horror) some secular groups.

Quite. This isn't just about those cartoons and the MAC, but also the trouble at the Birmingham Playhouse and over Jerry Springer the Opera.

Besides the freedom to criticise religion, the March will also be standing up for the rights of individuals to freely criticise their governments.

Take a look at Belarus today. An insulting joke about Lukashenko can land you in jail. His political opponents have been beaten up and harassed. In the past couple of days, the police have been arresting protesters and those taking food and drink to them.

This march should be just as much about those braving the harsh Minsk night as it is about the freedom to criticise religion.

Whilst we're all here arguing the toss over whether something's Islamophobic, Muslimophobic, fair criticism or just plain nonsense, others are fighting to win the very rights we seek to defend.

It might not be as easy to come up with slogans or banners that aren't just about insulting or criticising religion, but I'd encourage people to try.

5:20 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a Muslim, I am all for free speech, but I cannot support your
march as it smells of Islamophobia, and it won't help Muslims reform themselves from within.

Also i believe in caring about other people's sensitivities -- which is a mark of all civilised societies. Cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad will not help, just like cartoons on the Holocaust of Jews won't help (http://www.mypresident.ir/archives/2006/02/_holocaust.php).

Muslims should not object to an objective criticism of Islam, just as Jews should not object to Ken Livingstone's views on Israel and its illegal occupation of Palestine.

10:11 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The full link in the previous post is

www.mypresident.ir/archives/2006/02/_holocaust.php

10:13 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Free Miss Piggy"

And, for god's sake, make fun of all religions.

10:18 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Apply British law"

Just to remind that the sharia is not british law.

10:57 am  
Blogger blogbear said...

This is my favourite, fromMadMalcMcMad :

Peace and understanding to those who insult the Buddha

2:23 pm  
Anonymous British Christian for Freedom said...

No apologies for free speech
We want to express views, not to repress views
Freedom to express, not to repress

4:04 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

'We love our decadent values. But then we rush along to the free concerts for debt relief, paying lip service to the 3.1 billion people living on less than one dollar a day.'
I know some of you were at those concerts and will soon be celebrating you 'decadence'.

'OMG we are like soooo civilized.' our lives have been made great by the fact that the Sassoons, Rothschilds and our royal family went out to name but a few, raped the brown world of her resources and brought it all home. Kill all these muslims who are fighting so that we dont do it to them with their oil!'


hmm maybe they wont fit on a placard but you get my fucking point. You've failed to understand the point of this whole row. It wasn't about freedom of speech it was about good taste. to the credit of the british media it chose not to enflame tensions and decided not to publish the pictures. You idiots are gonna cause more problems with this protest. EVERY SINGLE muslim i know thought that the wankers with the 'behead them' signs were retards who needed to be sent back to where they came from (mainly pakistan). you'll only isolate the vast majority who dont want troubles and consider themselves as much british as they do muslims.

i hope this clip works. let me leave u with this short clip of SHIA islamists in london, the shias being the biggest victims of wahabi extremist ideology.

its very short but you can hear down down bin laden. down down wahabi. you dont mind THAT on the front page of the mail.

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=20123

10:11 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

^^ I meant you dont find that on the front of the mail.

10:13 pm  
Blogger Trader Woody said...

Causing offence isn't a crime


Free speech has no parameters


Those against freedom of speech offend me!


There's no such thing as a respected book burner

10:18 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, I thought this looks interesting. Then I saw Peter Tachell's name so I am swiching off.

12:22 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After reading some of these suggestions...I feel that we are heading for a street brawl.

Spoken to people of BOTH side of this debate...but still can not understand where the line between "PERSONAL freedom of expression" and "Respect for the OTHER" lies.

Interesting how nuckleheads are always united on ANY side of ANY debate.

12:54 pm  
Anonymous Harry said...

How many citizens have any real idea of what the Enlightenment really was? French philosophers did take humanity forward by recognising no external authority of any kind, but there was a darker side. Voltaire: "Blacks are inferior to Europeans, but superior to apes." Hume: "The black might develop certain attributes of human beings, the way the parrot manages to speak a few words." There is much more in a similar vein from their colleagues. It is this aspect of the Enlightenment that appears to be more in tune with some of the generalised anti-Muslim ravings in the media.

2:09 pm  
Anonymous Harry said...

well there be of tee shirts of caricatures depicting jews from nazi germany and will there be the anti semitic cartoons from iran on tee shirts all in support of free expression. If the answer is No then this nuremberg rally.. sorry the trafalgar sq rally is full of hypocrisy and not for freedom of expression but for freedom to discrimination against brown people. Nice one peter, its gonna backfire big time on you. So do stand up and take fullresponsibility, when the hoolagians you've invidet go and start kicking in heads of moderate muslims or any other person that turns up they don't like the look of.
P.S don't think they are gonna listen and stay away from a riot. que kaizer chiefs I Predict A Riot

2:18 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Freedom in any form comes with responsibility.

I am for freedom of speech but not when it is used to DELIBERATELY PROVOKE AND INSULT 1.3 BILLION PEOPLE.

We all have freedom but we set ourselves boundries. Those people who drew those pictures overstepped the boundries and now have to live with the consequences.

Rightly or wrongly they now have to leave their lives in fear just to prove a point, which didnt need proving. There was no debate at that point no one really cared but then they offended a billion people and caused this mess.

2:27 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Danes jest a lot" (Ahmed Akkari, March 23, 2006)

(source: http://agora.blogsome.com/ )

3:45 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Free Expression is a fundamental right that we all respect. But issue behind the pictures of Prophet Muhammed SAW (PBUH) are a matter of respect. No Muslim opposes freedom of speech, expression, freedom of anything! It's essential in the lives of everyone, Muslims & non Muslims.

The Danish pictures of our Prophet go beyond what Muslims believe & this is that Allah & Muhammed SAW (PBUH, or any other prophet for that matter, should be depicted in image form as this leads to idolising of that picture instead of God.

Even Hollywood respected Islam's belief & did have a character representing Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) in it's film, The Messenger.

I am not against your protest against "Free Expression". But to me it seems that your protest is more an attack on Islam, what Muslims believe, Shiria law, etc. rather than your belief that your freedom to express yourself isn't being upheld!

4:58 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would hate to this protest backfire on all you 'believers' of Free Expresion.
Muslims, like myself...oppose the pictures of the Prophet (PBUH) because it is a matter of respect to someone we hold very dear.

The renowned historian Lamar Tine wrote "If greatness of purpose, smallness of means & astounding results are 3 criteria of human genius, who could dare to compare any great man in modern history with Muhammad?"

Our prophets greatness is respected & admired.

Thomas Caryle, "The lies (Western slander) which well-meaning zeal has heaped round this man (Muhammed) are disgraceful to ourselves only."

I hope that at your protest for Free Expression, you will be wearing t-shirts that depict images of Hitler...anti-sematic slogans.

5:26 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

May I suggest to those individuals conidering taking a poster of the Danish cartoon (even though the organisers have advised against), that you dress accordingly. If you dont have a burqua, just use an old bed sheet. Dont sellotape brown sticks of toilet rolls connected with wires around your waist with an alarm clock as the joke wont be appreciated by Muslims.

8:54 pm  
Anonymous Andrew Apostolou said...

Did the police approve the "beheading" placards at the infamous demonstration?

12:39 am  
Blogger The Magpie said...

So, has the MCB and the local mullah approved the placards yet then?

Gis a list.

9:12 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about

"We want freedon of speach; but only if it fits in with our narrow minded view of what is ok in MY utopia."

Or

"We want freedom, but not real freedom just that fake kind of freedom that makes me happy"

1:32 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is no "Great" in Great Britain any more.All that Britain is today, is one giant Refugee camp.PC is just an excuse for keeping the masses down

1:50 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i know one

you people below who are posting shit are a bunch of sad losers. I bet your all fat 40 year blokes living in a council flat. You retards

4:45 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets do one about hitler. I mean he was a nazi

4:48 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is quite disturbing, that educated, intelligent human beings are being so narrowed minded and short-sighted. There are surely many contradictions on this issue about freedom of speech and expressions from their side.

Part of modern civilisation is that we must be considerate of others and take on board other people’s sentiments, feelings, etc, and to ‘RESPECT’ others and not to ‘PROVOKE’ people and instigate ‘VIOLENCE’.

Come on people, grow up, free your mind, look at things fairly, look at things objectively, and look at thing realistically and practically.

Muslim RESPECT and encourages Freedom of Speech and Expression within a reasonable limitation. Everything that exists has a limit. Freedom of Speech and Expression is not a new thing; it has been practised by Muslims Millennium ago!

Don’t be ignorant folks, be fair, read history and learn and understand things in a fair and non biased way and then come to your own conclusion.

If those people who do not wish to respect others, and seek confrontation, who wants to create a more violent, unstable, miserable, fearful, bloody, and chaotic world, then I hope through some ‘GRACE’ they understand and realise that its better to live in a more peaceful and safe world that a dangerous volatile world.

Come on ladies and gentlemen, let us all wake up! Let us free our mind, let us be fair, let us be honest, let us be just, let us be reasonable, let us be considerate, let us be civilised, let us work towards peace, let us save human life, let us not be instantly judgemental, let us verify the facts from reliable sources, let us all live in peace. These are not qualities of Christians, Muslims, Jews, these are HUMAN qualities!!!

GOD SAVE US ALL. Ameen

7:18 pm  
Anonymous Hmmmm... said...

Darren McKenzie said...
I happen to agree with the previous Anonymous. There is no need for all the Islam bashing. Some of the ill in the world is the fault of people mis-interpreting the faith but this is not the fault of over 99% of the worlds muslims.

I was planning on supporting this march but after reading some of the suggested banners I would rather not be assosiated with the mood of the protest as conveyed on this site.

I doubt that if this mood is reflected in the march it will do any good at all to the cause of free speech.

Pro Free Speech and Anti Islamaphobia, Please!?

--------------------------------
Mr McKenzie, i totally agree..Nice to see there are still some rational minded people about!
It just seems like half the comments here are self-justifications from what happened at the Cartoon protests and things.. However, when you reflect, its just mere hypocrisy.

9:28 pm  
Anonymous JOE CUBA said...

LET FREEDOM RING,GIVE PEACE A CHANCE. DOWN WITH ALL WHO OPPOSE IT
DOWN WITH FIDEL CASTRO.

5:53 am  

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